I feel so sorry for the solders on the ground, they are going to go through hell now, their lives as they knew them are over. And this has nothing to do with taking sides.
My dad always taught me not to hit someone who is already on the ground.
Absolutely. But there both sides are far from gentlemanship. Yesterday some of these soldiers were shooting from automatic weapons to the crowd of civilians. They were not obliged to violate their soldiers' oath and follow unlawful orders, they could say "no". (I hope it doesn´t sound as I justify this disgusting mob justice.)
I disagree with the notion that being a gentleman can depend on how much of a gentleman the other side is or isn't. They lost, they are on the ground and are not dangerous now. I also do not know how easy it was for soldiers to say no.
Oh sorry, I must have misunderstood but then I don't see how the fact that both sides are far from gentlemanship or what these soldiers on the ground were doing yesterday is relevant.
This is awful. I hope for some international pressure for at least somewhat fair and humane trial and treatment for these boys given Erdogan's rage and apparent intention to show the nation how everyone who was involved "will pay the highest price". This is easily one of the most upsetting parts of this whole story for me.
I can surely understand the other side, if that's what you meant. Their anger is justified and understandable. But that is the very moment where max control needs to be exercised.
When we read about the Nice events, we have a side with which we can fully associate ourselves - ordinary people, the victims of an evil act. It's a sad situation, but our sense of good and evil "knows what to do" and we distribute our emotions very clearly: disgust to one side, compassion to another. When we deal with situations in which both sides act as villains (shooting into the crowd VS sadistic mob justice), we have mixed feelings towards both sides - compassion + disgust. It hurts, isn't it?
It does but for me it is not even about feelings at all here, feelings I can understand. It is about control over what you do based on those feelings however justified they are when the other side cannot respond and is not dangerous anymore.
Yes, of course, I thought that goes without mentioning at all. To hit a defenseless (and tied) man is a 100% bad thing to do. There is nothing to argue about.
When I said "it hurts", it was not about these people making their revenge but about you and me, observers who cannot have a good side to associate with...
My father always taught me that one of the most dangerous moments in any fight is just after you won, because you can easily do a lot of wrong things in that moment when anger is still there and fear is no longer there and the sense of triumph comes over you. And that's where maximum attention and control is required.
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winterfish
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Date: 2016-07-16 07:58 pm (UTC)My grandfather would have said, his most damning phrase: 'they are no gentlemen' :-/
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Date: 2016-07-16 08:22 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2016-07-16 08:30 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2016-07-16 08:33 pm (UTC)I never said nor thought this.
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Date: 2016-07-16 08:43 pm (UTC)I also do not know how easy it was for soldiers to say no.
Date: 2016-07-16 10:20 pm (UTC):-o
RE: I also do not know how easy it was for soldiers to say no.
Date: 2016-07-16 10:32 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2016-07-16 08:31 pm (UTC)The real test, surely, is behaving well even when the other side break the rules. :-(
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Date: 2016-07-16 08:34 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2016-07-16 08:54 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2016-07-16 09:14 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2016-07-16 09:33 pm (UTC)When I said "it hurts", it was not about these people making their revenge but about you and me, observers who cannot have a good side to associate with...
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Date: 2016-07-16 08:37 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2016-07-16 08:41 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2016-07-16 08:25 pm (UTC)My father always taught me that one of the most dangerous moments in any fight is just after you won, because you can easily do a lot of wrong things in that moment when anger is still there and fear is no longer there and the sense of triumph comes over you. And that's where maximum attention and control is required.
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Date: 2016-07-16 08:32 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2016-07-16 08:51 pm (UTC)Those poor men :(
Athena
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Date: 2016-07-16 09:17 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2016-07-17 01:04 am (UTC)So much hate.
When will people learn? Combating hate with more hate is not the way.
It baffles me at times, how human beings can become this hateful toward other humans .
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