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topum ([personal profile] topum) wrote2016-09-13 02:46 pm

Stairs and bell

The stairs



The bell



Simonopetra Monastery, Mount Athos, Greece

This is how it looks from the outside.

[identity profile] topum.livejournal.com 2016-09-13 01:11 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't know. They just believe that God will take them at the best time for them to go and they go with that. They do not risk their lives just to risk it but they are not overly cautious either. The story with the rock is not a typical one. But in that particular case that very old hermit decided that he was not meant to move and that it was a necessary reminder for him that the time was ticking and he was not to relax and treat each day like his last one.

[identity profile] beautesauvage13.livejournal.com 2016-09-13 02:23 pm (UTC)(link)

I get the concept behind living under a rock that is going to fall on top of you any day. 


I wonder though if some kind soul/souls (I imagine that rock is huge so it'll probably take a few big men to remove it) were to remove the rock would the Hermit still die?  Hm Of course most would say yes of course he would still die because we all die eventually.  I still want to see if there is actually a way to cheat death though.  God is annoyed with me you know Ha! 


Athena

[identity profile] topum.livejournal.com 2016-09-13 02:44 pm (UTC)(link)
It is not possible to remove that rock. It is huge and is on a very steep mountain side over the sea with no access to it. It could be possible with very advanced machines I guess at a ridiculous cost.

The monks there are convinced that one can cheat death and that's what they are trying to do there. They think that God himself became mortal to make that possible and show them how. One still has to die to do that according to them though. Among other things this ensures that you are not afraid of death anymore and you are not running away from it but face it and still win. Their way of cheating is not that you don't die but that you die but not stay dead.

[identity profile] beautesauvage13.livejournal.com 2016-09-13 03:20 pm (UTC)(link)

Hm interesting.  So they are trying to figure out how to resurrect them self after they die.  Jesus did it in 3 days so maybe we can too. 


Have they gotten close to figuring out how Jesus did it? 


Do they by chance write their findings down?  Can it be translated to English?  


The world needs to know these things. 


Athena

[identity profile] topum.livejournal.com 2016-09-13 04:15 pm (UTC)(link)
They think that it has already been written down in the New Testament apparently. And they do not intend to stay dead after death as it was said in that book that they can inherit eternal life. I am definitely not the right guy to talk about it though ).

[identity profile] beautesauvage13.livejournal.com 2016-09-13 05:12 pm (UTC)(link)

Hm.  So they probably believe that "the blood is life"  too.  Next we're going to have a bunch of crazy Renfields running around eating bugs and asking for a Kitten to feed and feed. 


I'm not really the one to talk to about this either, I've too much of a sarcastic sense of humor. 


Athena

[identity profile] topum.livejournal.com 2016-09-13 06:35 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't know if they do. For me it is not about the type of sense of humour I have, I just do not know enough. We saw guys there like a Canadian astrophysicist, American PhD mathematicians, etc and they devoted their whole life to that practice. I don't know nearly enough to talk about it in depth ).

[identity profile] beautesauvage13.livejournal.com 2016-09-13 07:39 pm (UTC)(link)

I had no knowledge anyone was studying how to resurrect themselves after death until you mentioned it here. 


Of course now I'm curious about it Ha! 


I suppose though I will have to get a sex change and join these monks in Greece to find out more.  They probably don't allow women there. 


Athena

[identity profile] topum.livejournal.com 2016-09-13 07:55 pm (UTC)(link)
They are not studying how to resurrect themselves. I thought the whole of Christianity was about eternal life in another celestial world. That's what they are doing there.

[identity profile] beautesauvage13.livejournal.com 2016-09-13 09:48 pm (UTC)(link)

"Their way of cheating is not that you don't die but that you die but not stay dead." That is resurrection dieing but not staying dead. 


Christianity as far as I know is all about life after death yes.  The body dies and then rots but the soul lives on in another dimension..Heaven or Hell or if one is Catholic there is purgatory. 


Athena

[identity profile] topum.livejournal.com 2016-09-13 09:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Christianity is about resurrection at the end of the world as far as I know.
Even if it is about life in another dimension it is still about not staying dead after death? Living in another dimension is not dead.

[identity profile] beautesauvage13.livejournal.com 2016-09-13 10:31 pm (UTC)(link)

True. 


But death isn't cheated because the body dies and does not continue on.  The soul leaves the body to carry on wherever it goes.  Body is still dead though. 


Athena

[identity profile] topum.livejournal.com 2016-09-13 11:16 pm (UTC)(link)
They believe that the body will be resurrected though. The very ending of their creed is "I look for the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. Amen." Like Jesus was resurrected together with his body, they believe people will be too in the end. Those will be 'renewed' bodies but they will be their bodies nonetheless.